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Post Posted: Mar 16, 2019 9:23 pm 
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You're right, I keep getting those two road designations confused.

The original Crow Hill plan was to replace both of the two stop lights (43 and 43A) with one overpass. Then Dozier got involved. At least, that is the way I understand it.

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Harris Park is Park county... And that area is just the tip of the iceberg for needing some maintenance, it's the WHOLE county except maybe over in south park a bit. Their dirt roads are graded all the time!! I never understood that, except I do know a couple of comish's, and our Judge live on the other side of the hill.....And I can just see the traffic jams this summer with the "RV, Boat and ATV show" trying to pull into Loaf N Jug, with cars on the other side wanting to go "read", or pray, when they already have another FINE road, what is it? Buggywhip? lol... It's already a mess in the summer!
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If you want to say that there are better uses for the money, I will not argue. I would say that I place a higher priority on libraries than you do, although I admit I'm a dinosaur and still prefer the old ways in many things (I absolutely do not trust much of anything I see on the Internet). But when you add in the predictions of traffic jams and accidents, you just diminish your overall argument; stick to the money angle.

You mention Harris Park … I guess I thought that the Harris Park district was responsible for the maintenance of their own roads, and that therefore it does not really play in this argument. But my understanding might be off base there; I'll let others more knowledgeable than I weigh in on that part.


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Yes, I know Harris Park is in Park County … I am also (Burland). What I was referring to is things I have read over the years on Pinecam that indicate that the county is not responsible for the same level of maintenance in Harris Park as it is in the rest of the county. Not knowing this for sure, I did a quick search and found the following web page hosted by the Harris Park Metropolitan District: http://harrisparkmetrodistrict.com/?page_id=600 . The most recent update makes the following statement:
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Harris Park can anticipate a reinstatement of previous services, namely two gradings per year on those roads that were traditionally maintained.
That tells me that the county probably does NOT do any maintenance on the full set of roads in the district (not sure what "traditionally maintained" really means, but then again I did not read the full page).

Regarding Park County as a whole, I have said this before and will say it again: I think the county, as a whole, does a good job with road maintenance given the small budget it has to operate under. I do not know the origin of the funds for paying for this new library road … but I, as a Park County resident, have no issue with it being built; as implied in earlier posts in this thread, the whole history of the road situation at Crow Hill is rife with political negotiations that have nothing at all to do with traffic efficiency there, and any attempt at improving access to that library is OK in my book. I tend to believe in the principles laid out or implied in the Code of the West, namely that people moving into western rural areas had better be prepared to live with conditions that are less than optimal, including maintenance of county roads.

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[quote="tomcat"]Harris Park is Park county... And that area is just the tip of the iceberg for needing some maintenance, it's the WHOLE county except maybe over in south park a bit. Their dirt roads are graded all the time!! I never understood that, except I do know a couple of comish's, and our Judge live on the other side of the hill.....And I can just see the traffic jams this summer with the "RV, Boat and ATV show" trying to pull into Loaf N Jug, with cars on the other side wanting to go "read", or pray, when they already have another FINE road, what is it? Buggywhip? lol... It's already a mess in the summer!


Stop for a moment and think, about your statement, I've bolded above.
If some one is coming from 285 onto 43A intending to go to the new road, they fall in with the traffic as they always have, instead of going strait past the loaf & jug they turn right, no traffic impediment. Some one coming from 43 down 43A will need to turn left, they will do this as someone is turning left into the loaf & jug, This might cause a momentary delay to other traffic going down toward 285, but no change to current traffic conditions. The biggest problem will be to people coming from the Library wanting to turn left to get on 285, they my need to wait for the traffic light cycle on 285 to create an opening, and this would only be a problem during the busiest times. These people would also have the option of turning right and using 43 to get to 285.
The added congestion argument against this new access road, holds no merit! You really should stick to the money and conspiracy argument.


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Just a Question, no one has asked.
Are there more commercial lots between the new road and 285, that it will serve?


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Just a Question, no one has asked.
Are there more commercial lots between the new road and 285, that it will serve?


I noticed today, there are two "for sale" signs on the right side of where the new road appears to be going, so it does seem, that the road is not only for access to the church and library.


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Harris Park is Park county... And that area is just the tip of the iceberg for needing some maintenance, it's the WHOLE county except maybe over in south park a bit. Their dirt roads are graded all the time!! I never understood that, except I do know a couple of comish's, and our Judge live on the other side of the hill.....And I can just see the traffic jams this summer with the "RV, Boat and ATV show" trying to pull into Loaf N Jug, with cars on the other side wanting to go "read", or pray, when they already have another FINE road, what is it? Buggywhip? lol... It's already a mess in the summer!


Stop for a moment and think, about your statement, I've bolded above.
If some one is coming from 285 onto 43A intending to go to the new road, they fall in with the traffic as they always have, instead of going strait past the loaf & jug they turn right, no traffic impediment. Some one coming from 43 down 43A will need to turn left, they will do this as someone is turning left into the loaf & jug, This might cause a momentary delay to other traffic going down toward 285, but no change to current traffic conditions. The biggest problem will be to people coming from the Library wanting to turn left to get on 285, they my need to wait for the traffic light cycle on 285 to create an opening, and this would only be a problem during the busiest times. These people would also have the option of turning right and using 43 to get to 285.
The added congestion argument against this new access road, holds no merit! You really should stick to the money and conspiracy argument.

Lets see.... Just two 32" camper trailers with another trailer attached to that, (3) TRYING to get into Loaf N Jug, a PILE of cars, trucks and campers with their rear-ends backed out on 285, lined up due to those 2 huge trailers trying to get in to Loaf n jug... just stupid! I can see it now!! And as I hear it, yes, that land is probably going to have 2 new little stores "parked" in that field next to the library. What a nightmare!!!

Can't even begin to think what is going to happen to the folks that reside north to Rosalie trying to pull out on to 285!!! Im sticking to my guns, sorry... It's already a nightmare in the summer! And YES!!!! Money for roads could have definitely been put onto roads that are so damaged, you need 4X, soon to get an alignment, broken axles, bent rims.... stupid, stupid, stupid.

Kindof like that bike path "Dewby-Wallaby" was wanting along side of 285 from Como to Fairplay, REALLY????? While Im on it, why don't you give US ALL the nice driveway entrances to every ranch that go down 77 towards Taryall, each driveway paved AND coverts!!!! What for tourists to go to the lake, only to leave ALL THEIR TRASH LAYING AROUND, because our County won't afford to put a few dumpsters around the area,... oops off track!!! Taryall is so beautiful, and yet, as soon as you get to your spot, it takes another 2 hours to pick up the last peoples disgusting trash, diapers, kotex, tampons, etc..!! And as far as you can see, where the bears and badgers have drug it as far as you can see??? Why am I picking up others peoples children's diapers, fishing lines with hooks on them so your dog can roll in it and get it stuck somewhere in their body!!


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Lets see.... Just two 32" camper trailers with another trailer attached to that, (3) TRYING to get into Loaf N Jug, a PILE of cars, trucks and campers with their rear-ends backed out on 285, lined up due to those 2 huge trailers trying to get in to Loaf n jug... just stupid! I can see it now!! And as I hear it, yes, that land is probably going to have 2 new little stores "parked" in that field next to the library. What a nightmare!!!

Can't even begin to think what is going to happen to the folks that reside north to Rosalie trying to pull out on to 285!!! Im sticking to my guns, sorry... It's already a nightmare in the summer! And YES!!!! Money for roads could have definitely been put onto roads that are so damaged, you need 4X, soon to get an alignment, broken axles, bent rims.... stupid, stupid, stupid.


It seems like the obvious answer is to rid of the traffic light and move all traffic to/from L&J, Library, etc. via local access from Crow hill.


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Does anyone here know for sure who is paying for the road?
Perhaps it the developer?


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Scalawagy wrote:
Does anyone here know for sure who is paying for the road?
Perhaps it the developer?

Park County Road and Bridge, Park County government, look on all the trucks and graders


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Lets see.... Just two 32" camper trailers with another trailer attached to that, (3) TRYING to get into Loaf N Jug, a PILE of cars, trucks and campers with their rear-ends backed out on 285, lined up due to those 2 huge trailers trying to get in to Loaf n jug... just stupid! I can see it now!! And as I hear it, yes, that land is probably going to have 2 new little stores "parked" in that field next to the library. What a nightmare!!!

Can't even begin to think what is going to happen to the folks that reside north to Rosalie trying to pull out on to 285!!! Im sticking to my guns, sorry... It's already a nightmare in the summer! And YES!!!! Money for roads could have definitely been put onto roads that are so damaged, you need 4X, soon to get an alignment, broken axles, bent rims.... stupid, stupid, stupid.


It seems like the obvious answer is to rid of the traffic light and move all traffic to/from L&J, Library, etc. via local access from Crow hill.
I like this idea, makes sense.. BUT, it still doesn't take care of all the monies spent on building it when we need that "road construction" MORE elsewhere!!


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There is a library?

People read books?

I'm confused.

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