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Post Posted: Sep 18, 2018 5:22 am 
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BG, I am embarrassed as an American, at how over-armed we are, to our detriment and suffering

Over-armed... :doh: Is this going to be the newest misdirection of the left?


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BG, I am embarrassed as an American, at how over-armed we are, to our detriment and suffering. It is overwhelming shown that completed suicide is two to ten to mes more likely when a gun is available to the mentally ill victm. We need better public health research to determine if the benefits of concealed carry are greater than the harms. That research should guide policy and law.

What have you learned from these posts, BG, to modify your hardened and bitter views?


Well, I'm not embarrassed at all that law-abiding Americans are armed. I've learned that you put WAY too much faith in public health research in terms of this subject.

I also don't buy the whole suicide thing. People intent on doing that will find a way. The suicide rate in Japan is much higher, and their gun ownership is much lower. So, people hang themselves...that's a pretty popular method here, too, BTW, accounting for about 1/4 of all suicides. Not to mention the fact that obviously suicide by firearm will be higher in homes where people have guns. We've covered this already, but that's like saying you're more likely to get a speeding ticket if you own a car. It's one of those cliche phrases that doesn't really mean anything.

Regardless of what drives someone to do that, why should I be punished for something another person might do? The obvious answers is, I shouldn't. And why the focus only on gun suicides when hanging is pretty common here, too? Almost 12000 people per year hang themselves. Why aren't we focusing on the easy availability of rope or other strangulation items? Trying to treat the method rather than the underlying disease just seems bassackwards to me. But the answer to the question is, because rope isn't a gun. And guns are bad. And this is a convenient way to mask the desire of many people to restrict gun ownership by tying it to bad behavior on the part of a relatively small group of people.

I've heard the "we don't want to take away your rights, we just wanna stop people from hurting themselves" nonsense for far too long. It's no different than "if it saves just one life wouldn't it be worth it?" nonsense.

This is very similar to the opioid crisis that's going on. Opiates are great painkillers. But people have abused them to the point it's damn near impossible now to get a prescription for an opioid painkiller. And that's a real problem for a lot of people. I don't use them personally. But recently I was looking for a new primary care provider and one doctor flat out said, before any mention of it, that if I was looking for a doctor to prescribe pain killers I should look somewhere else. But now we've gone overboard and punished potentially everyone (most people will need painkillers at some point) due to the bad behavior of a few. That's one thing I just can't tolerate.

So, bottom line, I'm OK with my hardened and bitter views. My hardened and bitter attitude towards my God-given rights, especially the right to self-preservation and self-defense using the best method there is, has been developed over almost 6 decades of do-gooders, big government, and anti-gunners who have relentlessly attempted to deprive me of those rights or further restrict them. They've done that frequently thru the use of "public health studies" and by telling me it's for my own good. They've done it by telling me other people abuse the right so we need to further restrict my right to make it better for everyone else and I'm sick and tired of that BS.

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The last two posts distort the conversation. Those calling for gun safety legislation promote life. No one in my circles is calling for the death of our president. Impeachment, maybe.

DP, few would equate a human journalist exercising free speech with a gun that might be banned because it violates the law. The case you are referring to involved an act of journalist suppression by our White House. He did not violate any law.

You may not possess an automatic weapon. They are banned/illegal. It is not a violation of the 2nd. I am working hard to make bump stocks illegal as well. If the Supreme Court rules differently, the laws must change.


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The last two posts distort the conversation. Those calling for gun safety legislation promote life. No one in my circles is calling for the death of our president. Impeachment, maybe.

DP, few would equate a human journalist exercising free speech with a gun that might be banned because it violates the law. The case you are referring to involved an act of journalist suppression by our White House. He did not violate any law.

You may not possess an automatic weapon. They are banned/illegal. It is not a violation of the 2nd. I am working hard to make bump stocks illegal as well. If the Supreme Court rules differently, the laws must change.


I disagree with your calling them a distortion,
They just dramatize a hypocrisy.
No reasonable person can read the 1st amendment and believe it gives any particular journalist the right to physically be in the White House.
However a reasonable person can read the 2nd amendment and believe it gives the citizens the right to own any weapon that the government could supply it's police forces with, that could be used against the citizens.


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This is why people like you shouldn't be involved in any legislation regarding guns. You simply have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to guns. And that's why it's so difficult to talk about guns with people like you. People who know guns and know the law have to spend too much time explaining the facts to the clueless who simply want to act out of emotion.

FACT: Machine guns/automatic firearms are NOT banned/illegal. If you have the money you can own as many as you can afford. You simply have to fill out a few special forms, pay an artificially high price for the firearm and a $200 tax to the government. Then wait for the ATF to drag their feet for months approving the paper work and doing a background check. Then the gun is yours.

FACT: The BATFE has already issued their rule banning bump stocks. So why would you be "working hard" to ban them when they're already banned? Never mind that outside of the Vegas shooting I can't find a single incident of a bump stock being used in a crime. So one guy uses one and suddenly they need to be banned. That's just stupid. This rule, in my opinion, is illegal for lots of reasons. Not the least of which is it violates a few Constitutional protections regarding due process and unlawful seizure.

It's pretty hard to take you seriously when you can't even get some pretty simple facts straight, MakMan.

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What would you do, MakMan, if you purchased an item for a fairly substantial amount of money the government said was legal for you to purchase and then, after you've paid your money for it, the government tells you to destroy it? Wouldn't that bother you just a little bit?

Well that's exactly what's happening here. The BATFE ruled, on several occasions, that bump stocks were legal. At one point the ATF even said they couldn't administratively ban them or restrict them. Then, after several hundred thousand were sold, they suddenly change their minds due to political pressure.

It's nonsense, plain and simple. And now it's going to be tied up in court perhaps for years.

If this is the sort of thing you're "working hard" on, I hope you fail miserably.

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